Welcome to the   Clyde Turbine Steamer Foundation   Website

Dedicated to preserving the memory of the steam turbine powered excursion ships which served on the Firth of Clyde in Scotland
and supporting anybody who takes on the care, maintenance and operation of the world's last surviving turbine excursion steamer, "Queen Mary".


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From 1901 with the introduction of the steamer King Edward, the world's first commercial turbine-powered vessel, to the withdrawal of Queen Mary in 1977, the Firth of Clyde was the "home" of the excursion turbine steamer - a form of propulsion which, although popular for naval vessels, ocean liners and short-sea ferries, never really caught on for excursion ships elsewhere.

These sleek, fast and smooth steamers, illustrated by TS Duchess of Hamilton at Inveraray in 1968 in a photograph by Ian Stewart, became the pride of the fleet and were employed on the main cruise routes to the outer reaches of the Clyde.



In this website we also review other turbine passenger excursion steamers and keep track of the last surviving passenger ships of any class which were powered by the steam turbine


ABOUT THE CLYDE TURBINE STEAMER FOUNDATION


The Clyde Steamer Foundation was established in 2009 to be a front for an attempt to purchase TS Queen Mary when she came up for sale and it became clear that she would not be continuing in her role in London. Fearing that she may be sold to shipbreakers, finance was found which would have enabled Queen Mary to have been purchased and moved to a suitable location for a suitable long term use. The preferred location and use would have been a floating maritime museum in the Glasgow area, preferably attached to an existing museum operation. Its attempts to attract interested parties failed and the Foundation was not in a position to own or manage her in its own right. The sale to the current French owner went through in the meantime and the project was abandoned.

The Foundation has, therefore, no formal constitution, other than being a banner through which to attract people interested in Queen Mary and, amongst them, hope to find enough people with enough skills, dedication and money to be able to put a contingency plan in place to save Queen Mary if she ever became at risk again.

In the meantime it will attempt to promote Queen Mary in her forthcoming role as a hotel ship in La Rochelle, France, primarily through this website and do what it can to ensure that her owners respect her traditional lines and promote her as the important historical vessel that she undoubtedly is.

This website aims to be a source of information about Clyde turbine steamers in general, with due consideration given to the application of the turbine to passenger excursion vessels in other parts of the United Kingdom. It also aims to become the main source of information and photographs about TS Queen Mary on the internet. Brief information is given on other surviving turbine-powered passenger ships in the world, now that they have almost totally disappeared from the shipping register. For example, only two steam turbine-powered ocean liners now sail in commercial service, with only one expected to survive beyond 2010 and the introduction of new safety regulations for passenger ships at sea.

The last Clyde turbine steamer and the last of its class in the world

TS Queen Mary

Queen Mary left her London berth under tow on Monday 9th November 2009 initially for Tilbury before onward transportation to a new life in La Rochelle


Please go to the Queen Mary page on this website for more details and photographs. 


The photo left shows Queen Mary passing under Tower Bridge in central London in a photo kindly supplied by John May


THE TURBINE PRINCIPLE


The turbine principle, whilst understood for many hundreds of years, had not been applied in any practical use in the Industrial Revolution until Charles Parsons experimented with it for power generation purposes in the 1890s. The fore-sighted engineer appreciated that it might be used for propulsion in a marine environment and built a demonstration ship, the steam yacht "Turbinia" in 1894.  Turbinia achieved unexpectedly high speeds and got the perfect opportunity to show its paces at the Naval Review off Spithead in 1897. In front of all the leading admirals of the Royal Navy she outpaced all other vessels on display. It was not long before the Admiralty and Parsons, having formed the Parsons Marine Steam Turbine Company, signed a contract for a new vessel for the Navy, a 210 foot long torpedo boat which was delivered in late 1899 and caused great satisfaction when she achieved over 37 knots on trial.

News of this reached the famous Clyde shipbuilders, William Denny & Co who were interested in developing a turbine powered merchant ship. The naval torpedo boat "Viper" was similar in size to a large Clyde Steamer and it seemed sensible to use the local excursion fleet as a test-bed. None of the main established operators were prepared to jointly finance a demonstration vessel with Parsons, only Captain John Williamson, an independent operator took the risk and the Turbine Steamers Syndicate was then established for this purpose.

37 knots far exceeded the pace of all other Clyde Steamers : 17 knots was pretty close to the maximum speed that existing vessels could achieve. There was considerable scope for a vessel with extra speed to undertake the long runs to Campbeltown and Inveraray and whilst 37 knots would have made the new vessel untouchable, it was accepted that, to keep the new ship within reasonable capital cost, expectations would be more modest.

King Edward of 1901, the first Clyde Steamer of the new century, was launched on May 16th 1901 at Dumbarton and on trial achieved 18.66 knots and then during a second set of trials on June 24th, achieved a mean speed of 19.7 knots over the Skelmorlie measured mile. This was still a slight disappointment to the ship's sponsors and she was sent to the yard of A&J Inglis at Pointhouse, Glasgow for larger propellers to be fitted. During a further trial on the 28th of June, King Edward achieved 20.5 knots and was declared ready for public service.

The turbine principle differed from the established method of propulsion in that it exploited a rotary action rather than a reciprocating action to turn the work of heat and expanding steam into propulsive power.  The engine was rather simpler and definitely more compact than a reciprocating engine. Gone were the large pistons, connecting rods, eccentrics and valves. No longer was there the "dead" effort of the return stroke of the piston. No longer did steam have to be piped into a second cylinder to make second use of its residual expansion possibilities. In the turbine, steam passed through a number of rotary blades attached to a central shaft running the length of the cylinder. The force of the passing steam caused the blades to rotate and the shaft to turn.  As the steam expanded it could pass through numerous sets of blades, extracting "work" from the steam at each stage. It was reported that steam went through five stages of expansion in King Edward's High pressure turbine and a further 25 times in each of the two Low Pressure turbines into which the steam was exhausted in turbine equivalent of "compounding". Therefore the engines  offered greater mechanical and thermal efficiency than traditional engines and saved valuable space aboard ship. Not so exciting to look at maybe, but quiet in operation and totally without the pronounced fore-and-aft surging which was noticeable on compund diagonal, but particularly single diagonal paddle steamer engines.

The turbine method was not suitable for driving a paddle shaft, so turbine steamers were always screw propelled. In the case of King Edward, three propeller shafts were used, one from each turbine, although it was possible for turbines to be arranged in "tandem" where the work of one of more cylinders was exerted on a common propeller shaft. Unlike reciprocating engines which generally turned the paddle wheel crank at between 40 and 50 revolutions per minute, turbines produced a high speed rotary motion. King Edward's central propeller, powered by the High Pressure turbine turned at 700 RPM and the outer two at 1000 RPM. In many turbine steamers, a gearing mechanism was built into the turbines to reduce the speed as this was found to be more suitable for efficient propeller operation.


TURBINE POWER AND ITS APPLICATION IN BRITISH COASTAL EXCURSION VESSELS


Three Clyde Turbine Steamers :

Duchess of Montrose, Queen Mary II and Duchess of Hamilton await another season at their winter lay-up berth at Greenock in the early 1960s. The Clyde was the "home" of turbine excursion vessels.

Why did they become so popular here, but not elsewhere, even though turbines found wide application in larger steamships? What was the experience with them elsewhere in the UK?


Click here for a review of British Turbine Excursion Steamers



Photo by Alexander Bain, kindly contributed by Donald Bain
 


THE CLYDE TURBINE STEAMERS


King Edward (1901-1952)
Queen Alexandra (1902-1911 in British Waters - to Vancouver, Canada as Princess Patricia - scrapped in 1937)
Atalanta (1905-1945)
Duchess of Argyll (1906-1970)
Queen Alexandra (1912-1958, later Saint Columba)
Glen Sannox (1925-1954)
King George V (1926-1981)
Duchess of Montrose (1930-1965)
Duchess of Hamilton (1932-1971)
Queen Mary (1933-date, later Queen Mary II, then Queen Mary)
Marchioness of Graham (1936-1958 in British waters - to Greece, scrapped in 1970s)

Turbine Steamer Operators on the Firth of Clyde, Scotland

OTHER STEAM TURBINE COASTAL EXCURSION STEAMERS AND OPERATORS IN THE U.K.


Away from the Clyde, only three operators ordered turbine steamers and with the exception of the Liverpool and North Wales trade where two large vessels had a reasonable degree of success, the sole vessels bought by Paddle Steamer operators P&A Campbell and the General Steam Navigation Company were notable failures.
Follow the links below for brief summaries of these companies operations and their excursion ship fleets. Paddle and other vessels are included in the lists to put the turbine steamers in their fleet contexts. For details of these paddle steamers, please go to the Paddle Steamer Resources by Tramscape website.

P & A Campbell Ltd ,Bristol Channel and South Coast, England
Liverpool and North Wales Steamship Company
General Steam Navigation Company, Thames Estuary and South-East England

Steam turbines were adopted quickly for larger vessels : short sea crossings such as from the south of England to northern France and from the north-west to the Isle of Man and Ireland as well as for ocean liners and military vessels. These vessels are out of scope for this website.


TURBINE POWERED PASSENGER SHIPS : THE SURVIVORS


Click here for a review of what remains
If the page does not load, please try this link :
http://turbinesteamers.awardspace.com/Survivors.htm

SS Oceanic : likely to be the last turbine ocean liner in steam, sailing for the Japanese Peace Boat organisation - and not a commercial cruise company.

Many thanks to photographer Matti Paavola who has made this available for use under the Creative Commons licence attached.
http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/


INTERNET RESOURCES
These links relate to sites covering Clyde Turbine steamers in general


Stuart Cameron's summary history of Clyde Turbine Steamers on the Ships of Calmac Website  (where individual ship histories are also posted)
Turbine Steamers Review on Clydesite
Turbine steamer post card photo gallery presented by John Newth of Dunoon as part of his website "Firth Views"


OTHER INTEREST GROUPS


Clyde River Steamer Club : Glasgow-based enthusiasts' club. Monthly meetings with illustrated talks. Periodic members' hospitality cruises on the Clyde. Covers the whole range of Clyde services and ships from the paddle steamers through the turbines to the modern motor-powered car ferries,


FOR MORE ABOUT CLYDE STEAMERS IN GENERAL AND PADDLE STEAMERS PAST AND PRESENT ......


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The full story of the Clyde Steamers is described on the Paddle Steamer Resources by Tramscape website, the internet's leading information source about paddle steamers past and present. This website is associated with the Foundation for Paddle Steamers Worldwide, an organisation promoting the world's remaining paddle steamers to ensure their long term operational survival.

Go to the Paddle Steamer Resources by Tramscape Website

Left: Paddle Steamer Jeanie Deans, on the Clyde from 1931 to 1964, and featuring in the Historical Database section of the Paddle Steamer Resources by Tramscape website.
Photo by Alexander Bain (courtesy of Donald Bain)
 


CAN YOU HELP WITH THIS DATABASE ?


The webmaster would be delighted to receive any updates of relevant information and photographs (of which you own copyright) which could help to keep this database as up-to-date as possible and fill in gaps in the historical record.

I know that many of you will have photographs of turbine steamers on the internet on photo-sharing websites such as Picasa and Flickr. No photos are used on this website unless they were taken by the webmaster or someone who has given express permission for their own photos to be used. However, some photos from Flickr etc may be used so long a the copyright tag (Creative Commons etc) allocated to the photo at the time of downloading allows.

Tramscape is trying to develop this website as the main source on the internet for turbine steamer information and photos, so the webmaster would be very grateful if you would allow use of your photos in this database so they can be seen by the wider community who will be reading this website.

Please e-mail the Webmaster with your information and photos or general authorisation to use photos from another website source. Thank you very much

E-Mail contact address for the webmaster : turbinesteamers at ntlworld dot com


COPYRIGHT AND REUSE ISSUES OF PHOTOGRAPHS AND TEXT ON THIS WEBSITE


Tramscape and Gordon Stewart.
All photographs displayed are with the permission of the acknowledged photographer but are not to be copied for re-use for any other website or publication without the specific authorisation of the photographer. You are welcome to use the text from this website as a research source and basis for your own work but it should not be copied and republished elsewhere verbatim or only slightly altered.
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THE WEBMASTER 


Gordon Stewart, based in the United Kingdom  : Please e-mail Gordon Stewart at the Foundation on this link

Information presented is from the webmaster's own research or from material submitted to the webmaster for publication. If anything posted is factually incorrect and you are in possession of more accurate information, please let me know and I will make the appropriate corrections / improvements to the text.